Many people expected the end of the world after December 21, but this was, as we emphasized repeatedly in The Wise, actually a spiritual uprising… What will this uprising bring us and what is the New Energy?
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
Dear Sevil, in this interview, I would like you to convey your knowledge of the new energy that came around after December 21, the so-called doomsday. Many people expected the end of the world after December 21, but this was, as we emphasized repeatedly in The Wise, actually a spiritual uprising …or was it? What do you say?
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
First of all, I can say that what I understand of the doomsday is not the same as what others do. It is a rising: To rise and begin to be. In accordance with the plan outlined for us so far by the Divine Source, we, humanity, have been pretending “to be,” but we have not “been.” We have seen information forced upon us as the truth. Therefore, we have been trying to move around within the narrow field of this information. If we went to the middle of the borders set for us, we were applauded. If we tried to escape these borders, we were excluded and, with the help of psychiatrists, diagnosed as borderline, schizophrenic, manically depressive, bipolar, and so on. At the very least, we were labeled as eccentric, unusual, or extreme, or we were regarded socially as dangerous people that should be avoided. However, each individual travels the path as a sentient being, sensing and creating emotions. We have the right and the capability to criticize “the rights imposed upon us.”
To rise, to truly pass into being, is something done with freedom. Until substantial changes happen in the greater part of society, this condition diminishes the states of being loved, accepted, and appreciated by society, as I explained in our previous conversation (The Wise Issue 17: The “100% Yes” Philosophy). Because of this, no one can live as they really are. It is hard to do as we like, because even when there is no one to criticize us, this condition causes us to face our parental scorning or contempt, such as “You are a bad child! You are naughty! Who would bother with you? It would have been better to give birth to a rock than you! I wish I had not given birth to such a snake!” For the parents, their children are their continuation, because 50% of themselves came from them as a whole within the continuation of the living DNA. In addition, because parents perceive the social ostracization of a child as the ostracization of their own parts within the child, they also see it as an ostracization of themselves, so they try to shape their children accordingly.
The current generation is not so bothered with this shaping process. Everything is about his or her self, and we are told these children are irresponsible, always on their computers, without social skills, always staying in their rooms, never learning anything, and so on. These children, despite those who talk about them like this, have held a peaceful protest with an energy and unity that is unprecedented in world history. And why did they do this? It was to protect a few trees within a public park. (See the Gezi Park protests in Turkey, started on May 30, 2013). They set out on a path like this because a tree is the best symbol of the continuity of life for them. By identifying their wish for continuity with the long-term life of the trees, they started to protect them. This was caused by the energy of The Rising or To Be, which was triggered on December 21, 2012, fully manifesting itself within them.
However, the old and the new still coexist. People have not yet completely removed their emotions and thoughts, as well as their wishes and desires to be loved, liked, and appreciated.
Because of this, conflicts occur. We are talking about those who cling to the old energy by thinking, “If God approves of me, He will take me to heaven.” We say this in the sense of finding value in the eyes of our parents, teachers, and so on, therefore finding a place in society or clinging to religious elements with the most marginalized (who are in the fringes of the society because of their lifestyles or viewpoints) or most fundamental. People in this state start to feel anger toward people who can be themselves, because the innermost seed forces everybody to be as they are. Everybody must learn To Rise and To Be. Moreover, everybody must do this individually. And the reaction of some people is to say, “You can do it, but I lack the courage, power, and capability! Therefore you must stop existing, so I can continue ignoring my inadequacies!”
This is, of course, not a never-ending process and will be completed in time. What is forever is life itself. We, as the beings who experience the finite within the infinite, will come and go within life. After all, we cannot stay here forever, because this is a place to learn certain things, and when we learn them, there is no need to stay here any longer. We will go. We will decide what we want to learn next, and we will convey this through our DNA to later generations. For believers in such things, we will reincarnate, and the change will continue from there. Wishing for change, or expecting it, is not possible while always preferring the same people or maintaining the same way of thinking. This leads to conflict because of the reflection of our inner selves to our outsides and our whole lives…
To Rise begins by saying, “I choose To Be with the whole of my being.” If we don’t, this does not mean the dead will be resurrected repeatedly and be subjected to trials. For believers in reincarnation, this will happen, because as beings that create with our thoughts, we create what we believe in. Because of this, it will come to happen on a certain level. For people who are afraid of this, however, it would be overwhelming.
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
There was a nice example of this in the “Conversations with God” series: If a person believed in hell for a lifetime, he would create it. He would suffer there for ages until he says, “Enough!”
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
This is hell. After death, a person remains in darkness instead of going to the Light, which is his biggest fear, and so he creates the same reality over and over within a cycle lasting 3–5 seconds (according to our perspective of linear time). This happens more frequently than people think, but because this is not the topic of our conversation, and because people are not ready for this topic, let’s be brief about it. But yes indeed, this happens.
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
Everyone eventually creates his or her own reality. Everyone is a part of the divinity. You create your own reality, and you experience whatever you put into it until the point when you say, “Alright, that’s enough. I’ve learned whatever I need to learn from it. Let me go to another level, to another game, to another scenario.”
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Both “trust” and “faith” need to come together. Let’s consider a boy who studies Physics in the first grade of high school. He is successful at Math but not at Physics. Why? It’s because the physics lessons entered his life with different information. Even if he trusts his talent for math, he hadn’t yet encountered his talent for physics. As long as he continues to say, “I should be able to do it, but I can’t. I must do it! If I can do math then I can do this too, but I don’t understand it all,” he cannot do it. He sends a message inside to some things but not others, and this applies to all fields of life.
“I could create a better life for myself, but God will not allow it…” Why wouldn’t he? God allows it when you free yourself of your guilty feelings and allow yourself… To Rise is to be able to be free yourself from your past.
The point when we will trust and when we will really Be is the moment when we say, “Yes, I made many great mistakes. My ancestors also made many great mistakes. We became tools in the suffering of humanity. We became victims, and we victimized. We were victims, so we became tyrants. We were tyrants, so we became victims. We experienced everything. This was the plan we followed, and I am taking responsibility for it. It’s time to change this plan now. From now on, I choose a ‘smiling’ life.” Then, instead of asking, “What are others saying about me?” we will begin to ask, “What is my inner self saying about me?”
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
What do you mean by the new energy? A while ago, I saw comments on Facebook along the lines of “No way, man! Don’t make up things like new energy! This ‘new energy’ has always been within us, so don’t believe in such things!” So, what is the new energy to you?
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Our level of vibration is changing. Everybody knows about Schumann resonances. These waves have stayed the same for a long while, but now they are constantly changing. We see a constant increase in the level of vibration. If we talk in numbers, it may be easier to understand. All of the electrical appliances that are produced under European standards work with a 220 Volt electrical supply. Devices made for the United States, however, work with a 110 Volt supply. These numbers indicate the level and power of the vibrations that make these appliances work. If you wanted to use an appliance designed for 110 Volts with a 220 Volt supply, you would need a transformer. The transformer would convert the 220 Volt supply to 110 Volts, allowing the appliance to work without a problem. The Earth also produces energy as it revolves.
I’m no physicist, so I do not know how many Volts it produces, but it is a physical fact that as the revolutions increase, the energy increases as well. Now, when you live within a higher vibration, it means we can encompass more universal knowledge because the vibrations of the Earth can now spread further, conveying the information that exists there and reflecting it back. What’s more, it takes the ways of living and thinking that exists there and reflects it back. So, it’s like being in the sea as you say, “I won’t get wet!” Is this possible?
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
We do not consider ourselves parts of the Earth. We think of ourselves as the masters of the Earth!
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Even if this were so, we would still live within the energy it produces. Therefore, if you are in the sea and the water temperature is 15°C, you feel cold. When the water temperature is 23°C, you say, “Ah, that’s nice!” but when it is 28°C, you say, “It’s too warm. I can’t freshen up in this.” Therefore, the vibration created by the Earth is similar to this situation. We feel it, and we do not need to do anything about it except to say, “Yes!” to the effect it brings to us. When we protest and say, “No, I want the old energy back. I will remain at 15°C and not warm up to 23°C!” then conflict appears and depletes our energy. It is bigger than us, and we cannot grapple or fight with it. It always wins over us. It vibrates as if it says, “Regardless of whether you want it or not, I will come and bring you love or hate, and you will take it!” Those who resist this situation become ill because their cells are working overtime to try to keep this energy outside. They become ill because they do not use this energy, which is needed for their organs, and keep this newly arrived vibration outside the body’s aura.
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
What a tension this is…
Well, why does the vibration of the Earth increase? In the final analysis, the Earth is another living being that also evolves for our development. You know how we divide the Earth into plots and sell them, saying, “This is my land!” It makes me laugh so hard. Of course, God created these plots just for these people and said, “This creation of mine is the owner of plot #1683. I drafted the property deed as I created you, so here it is; it’s yours.”
No, we are just living beings living upon a bigger living being. We just create our own scenarios among ourselves.
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Take your liver for example. If the liver is infected with parasites, these parasites say, “This is my area; this place is mine!” And what do these parasites do? They exploit and exploit until the liver eventually bursts, and then there is nothing left to feed on. It is similar to what us humans do to the world. However, compared to the relationship between our liver and the parasites, the Earth is much larger and much more powerful, and she is also a “Mother.” She continues to give against all the odds. Yet we all know what can happen when mothers get mad. When the Earth is mad, she shakes a little and 300,000 people die in a tsunami…
There are many kids who never heed what their mothers say, and it’s obvious how they develop. If we do not heed the Earth, it’s obvious where this will lead us to. Nothing will happen to the Earth, but something will happen to us. When the Earth becomes unable to feed us, something happens to us. Hence, the Earth increases her vibration to avoid this situation and absorb the damage we inflict on her, so she can provide us with more sustenance and support. She is a mother, and as mothers do, she says, “I’m not hungry; you eat instead.” But how long can she go on?
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
If humanity becomes extinct, and there is speculation this could happen in as little as a hundred years, what would remain would be just ruins. After two or three thousand years what will remain of us, bearing in mind that the cities of ancient civilizations only remain because they were made from marble?
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Nothing!
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
Yes, nothing. After five thousand years, not a single trace of us would remain. And what is the age of the Earth? Almost five billion years?
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
How many generations and how many civilizations have come and gone before us? There are ancient cities of marble that we haven’t discovered, so we know nothing about them. Which forms of life have existed on Earth? Where are the dinosaurs? You know where they are: in the fuel tanks of our cars…
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
Yes.
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Do you know why they are there now? It’s because they were transformed over time into fuel…
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
I wonder what we will transform into.
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
If those huge dinosaurs transformed into fuel, what will we transform into? I have no idea. Maybe we can avoid being converted into fuel by creating our own transformation that gives up exploitation while saying, “To Rise is not to exploit the world but just to be myself, to support and to remember that I am one and whole with all that is.”
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
Otherwise, our destiny is in the cars of a later civilization…
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Would we be fuel or electricity?
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
I would personally be a good-quality liquefied petroleum gas.
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
I don’t know. It’s certain that we will be something…
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
Okay, let’s continue. There is a question always popping up: Why is there so much darkness? Especially in this period of time…
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
As we say “Yes” and only “Yes,” “No” also increases to an equal extent. Right now, all over the world, there is an unprecedented spiritual awakening. I say a “100% Yes” to all my ancestors, but besides this “Yes” there exists a fact as well. I would like to express this without forgetting the difference between observing and judging.
The ancient masters were too picky, and their egos hit the ceiling. They said, “For Hasan to acquire knowledge, he needs to work on the letter A for forty years. Then he must work on letter B for the next forty years. Then, if his lifetime permits, we may give him the letter C…” Because of this, spiritual life remained in the hands of a very small group of people who lived a very slow model that led to a special level. Since when has this happened? Since the Egyptian civilizations. There is a rumor that it was not previously like that, but we don’t know. There are no findings and no documents to examine. Later on, people who were kept from spiritualism, yet inwardly knew they could get the support of God, started to move toward the monotheistic religions. Then they added the scary aspects of the monotheistic religions into their lives, assuming that this was the reality.
Moses brought down from Mount Sinai ten statements, which we call the Ten Commandments. Their title in Hebrew, Aseret h-Dvarım, means ten statements. They are not commands but rather statements. When you know Hebrew, you will see the differences become obvious.
For example, one was translated to us as “Thou Shall Not Steal,” but in Hebrew it is Nohv teeg’ lo. It is not in imperative mood but rather in a mood that could be understood as “There will be no need to steal.” If teeg’ lo were in the imperative mood, then it would be a command. “lo” means “No.”
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
So you will be at such a level that there will be no need for you to steal?
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Yes, you can interpret the Ten Commandments in way that says, “I will give you everything anyway, so why would you steal?” Instead of this, people read it as a direct command. Those words, which come from the ancient knowledge, might have been said with some good intention, like “We do but you cannot! If you try, bad things may befall you.” Indeed, when you work with energy, if you do something wrong or touch a place that is actually beyond your level, you can really harm yourself. It may be like a 110 Volt appliance receiving a 220 Volt current. Similarly, they took these well-intentioned words and attached their fears to them by saying, “Woe to us! If I steal, I will be shocked. I will go to hell, where I will be burned to ashes. So it’s better not to do anything.” And so people held themselves back.
Nevertheless, now that spiritualism has become more widespread through people who became aware that humanity cannot hold this energy imprisoned anymore, we can use it freely because of modern communication technologies and the expansions (brought out by evolution) in the inner worlds of people.
People start to reread the Torah, the Bible and the Quran, which they previously read but couldn’t understand, and now they start to perceive them in different ways. As they begin to say, “There may be a sequel to these books,” their fields start to widen. As their fields widen, their vibrational levels rise. As their vibrational levels rise, they expand, at least if they do not resist this rise and do not say, “I cannot let go of the old” and actually want the change. So, everything expands because of this.
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
For instance, in this thing you mentioned about “Thou shall not kill,” there is so much difference. I mean, do we refrain from killing just because it is commanded? If someone came and said, “There is no punishment on Earth for us, and we will not be judged in the hereafter either, so you can kill as you like,” would we kill people?
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
No, why would you? I tell people, “We are even allowed to kill as long as we take full responsibility for it.”
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
I mean, do we not kill because we are afraid of the consequences or because we don’t feel like it? Do we refrain from stealing someone’s belongings because we are afraid or because we don’t want to?
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Most of the time, it’s because we are afraid. This is why laws are needed.
If people are not afraid that the sweet carrot may turn out to be poisonous, all kinds of damnable and outrageous acts could be expected from them, because they are not in the consciousness of oneness. Look at what some people can do today, even though they are afraid of punishment. At least now they can go to hell. If they steal, they can be caught and imprisoned, and that could be his or her hell. Look at what they can do even when they know this.
So, when we are able to teach people that such acts will not send them to prison or hell but rather expose 2,000, 3,000, 5,000, or 7,000 new incarnations of themselves and their succeeding generations to suffering and diseases. When they can feel this in their physical bodies, and when we can say to them without intimidation, “If you still want to do it. It’s your choice,” then I think they will start to act differently.
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
So, this is the difference: “Thou shall not kill” means “You will not wish to kill.” I will not kill my friend, and why should I? You know, even when someone does something bad to me, I don’t feel like killing him or her. This is such profound knowledge. Only someone who knows Hebrew could explain it. Thank you so much. It is so illuminating for me.
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
There are people who can read Hebrew but still cannot look at it from this level.
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
In a way, what you perceive is important. There are many such interpretations in the sacred texts.
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Your field and your perception are very important. My field has expanded a little, so I can look from a different perspective and perceive some things a little better.
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
We were talking about darkness and the reason for the current existence of darkness…
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
The reason for its existence is that as we spread spiritual knowledge, and as the number of people in the process of enlightenment increases, people who live in fear of hell and in hope of heaven (more importantly for people who foster the hope of heaven rather than the fear of hell) have an increased fear of losing heaven. Fear always drags darkness along with it. What illuminates humanity is understanding, unity, community, and respect. When they exist, love can begin to be felt because it is spontaneous. Love is always there. Statements like “I do not have love” are false. What does exist, however, is the notion of “I cannot feel love, and when this energy comes to me, I cannot take it inside.” When we look at each other within the context of unity, wholeness, understanding, and respect, we can begin to absorb the love coming to us and add it to our lives.
Would you like to understand the visible form of love? What do you see in this lamp?
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
Light.
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
That’s it. It is the visible form of love, even if it is an artificial light.
The concentrated vibrational form of love is light. As we live in it, our fears vanish. Take a young girl for example. As she goes to her room through the hallway, she switches on all the lamps. She runs to her bed and climbs under the blankets, and then she feels safe.
Didn’t you do this when you were young?
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
I see this behavior in my son. He does the same.
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Why? It’s because darkness walks side by side with fear, while light is love.
At places where there is light, people do not fear, or at least they fear less. That is why darkness increases so much. Actually, as love increasingly expands, these will be the last days of darkness. On the other hand, if love does not expand properly, meaning it does not expand with faith, trust, and sharing, and if the resistances of the other side become too strong, it begins to say “This is my field, you cannot take more of it.” This may happen because the other side is cornered, so it decides to attack. Besides, people cannot shake off their fear of losing heaven if they cannot see they are worthy of love. This is why the darkness increases.
Now, for many people, I may be considered a heretic because I say, “Do not fear anything!” However, such people prefer ruling through fear instead of sharing through love, because in some deep place they are thinking, “I want to go to heaven, but I don’t deserve it.”
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
Feelings of guilt. On the other hand, I think all the darkness has a side that provokes the illumination.
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Of course it has. People who fear keep on fearing, fearing, and fearing. At some point, however, they say “Argh, that’s enough!” and then the transformation begins.
I have a theory that at the moment when we broke off from the Creative Source, two kinds of beings were created.
Some remained in the light by remembering that this experience is a mutually agreed laboratory study that will lead to reunion.
Then there are the ones who started to walk the path of saying, “Even God has forsaken me and expelled me from Himself. Whom can I trust now?”
The second group, in accordance with the plan, is larger than the first group. Those enlightened people are in the minority, but throughout history, they have been defeated by their egos. Now as the egos, or inner selves, of everybody become illuminated by the light of love, the whole system is changing. All of us are starting to perceive the moment when we were separated from God not as an expulsion but rather as a gradual and honorable process of being part of an experience we brought about through mutual agreement. My theory is like this. I don’t know if it’s correct or not. We will see when we go there.
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
It’s an elegant theory.
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Being elegant does not mean it’s correct.
Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
Well, it’s a theory that deserves deep contemplation. Sevil, thank you so much for this wonderful interview.
Zeynep Alan Sevil Güven
Thank you so much as well.
