Reincarnation and Past Lives: What’s the Truth?

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Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
When the topic of past lives comes up, I always remember my own story. During the initial phases of a spiritual journey, images appear before you, and you need to question whether you made them up. In 1995, as I began my journey, I experienced various visions. Later on, in about 2002/2003, I became able to see and tell the past life stories of the people I touched, and I continued to question whether I was making these up or not. Reşat, you later told me, “You can see past lives, but it’s not much to talk about. Everyone can see them. The point is what you do with those past lives!” Only then did things somehow settle down in me. What’s more, you know when people say, “I was this or that person in a past life,” they generally see themselves as a king or queen, like Cleopatra . What you actually see is yourself as a rapist or killer, or the raped or murdered person. It’s mostly the bloody stories that are uncovered. I certainly haven’t encountered many famous figures in my personal stories.

Well, it’s now time to elaborate on past lives—or more correctly, the incarnation of the soul—for people with no idea about such things. Why is a soul incarnate? Past lives are nothing but superstitious nonsense to many people, so I’ll ask you a few questions to start with: What is a past life? What is reincarnation? Is it real or not?

Reşat Güner:
We can of course talk about it from many different angles, but naturally, we human beings—who are embodied but own a consciousness connected to the spirit—need to rely on certain phenomena occurring right before our eyes. So, what are these phenomena? First, there are people who clearly remember their past lives in detail. Secondly, there are people with specific abilities and skills that would be impossible to develop in their short lives. These cannot be explained by genetics either, because there are no other people with such abilities in either the close or extended family.

Besides, a significant indication that emerges from regression work occurs when problems are followed back to their roots. Some very relevant and logical stories are found.

We can add to these the accumulated knowledge of spiritual work, spiritual communiques, and messages over the past centuries.

Reincarnation is an inseparable element of the Indian and Tibetan religions. The followers of these religions immediately accept such a concept. Indeed, throughout humanity’s history, the concept of reincarnation existed in almost every community. If we talk about spiritual development here, we need to talk about beings who continue to exist even when their bodies die, and this is well known throughout the history of humanity. According to modern archaeological research, the survival of the consciousness after death (i.e., the permanence of the spirit) was accepted as long as 60,000 years ago. Some recent archaeological discoveries seem to point to the human beings of those times believing in existence after death. These findings by archaeologists and anthropologists demonstrate that this concept has been with humanity almost from its beginnings. Actually, it would be more correct to call it a truth rather than a concept or teaching.

We know that we perceive the world through our limited senses, so the connections we can perceive through our senses are limited as well. For example, how do television broadcasts work? Waves in electromagnetic radiation are not perceivable by our senses, yet we still know they are there. Just like we cannot see or otherwise perceive these waves with our senses, we cannot perceive our past lives with our senses. However, if we know how to “look,” there is actually much evidence in front of us. For a start, we intuitively know it ourselves. Also, if a person experiences a regression, the memories and images seem so real for the person.

To give a personal example, when I first became interested in spirituality, I had no psychic abilities at all. There were things I observed in my surroundings, but these were not things that made me curious. Until I experienced a regression, I had no perceptions or dreams about past lives. My mind is not made for fantasy-fiction. The left side of the brain is more dominant in me, meaning that I want to be a down-to-earth person. Sure, I study spirituality at its extreme fringes, but at the same time, I try to integrate my findings with the down-to-earth knowledge of daily life.

Anyway, carrying on, the regression experience I mentioned was so real and had so many meaningful connections! Moreover, after that session, many emotional changes occurred within me, and I admit that even for the smallest change, I’d previously needed to work for years with many methods. However, after this first regression session, so many changes occurred in my life. Therefore, for the person who experiences them, these past life memories are real.

When any reasonable person looks at these and makes connections, he or she inevitably concludes that there must be a being that continues independently of the body. We call it the spirit, but calling it a being is more accurate, because for us, the spirit is not something to perceive or know. Nevertheless, we have a being that has its exclusive identity and continues existing even when the body is no more. The best example of this is near-death experiences (NDEs). Even if we set aside spontaneous recollections of past lives and regressions that suggest reincarnation, there are millions of people with near-death experiences. Medical doctors have examined tens of thousands of such cases. Well-known researchers have also worked in this field, and they have put forth evidence. This indicates that people whose hearts have stopped (i.e., they are clinically dead), sometimes for up to 20 minutes, can go through an experience while being clinically dead. They leave their bodies and witness whatever happens around them, or they hear what their loved ones say as they wait outside. Most frequently, they observe their own medical treatment and hear the doctors and nurses talking to each other. They witness these things, and when they later come round, they talk about what they witnessed. Some of them even journey up to higher dimensions, completely leaving this physical realm for the hereafter, and they meet other beings or deceased love ones. They may even meet higher beings or guides. When they wake up, they talk about their experiences: “I felt so fine. I didn’t actually die…”

NDEs are extraordinarily transformative for these people. Some researchers even study this transformative side of NDEs. Similar to NDEs, regression therapy work can be transformative as well. Over the years, we’ve personally worked in four or five cases that were extraordinarily transformative. Someone who has properly experienced a regression clearly understands it like this: “A-ha! I lived many lifetimes, and I didn’t end! I still exist. And all these memories built up my current identity.” Of course, we do not remember these memories in detail, even when we recall them during regressions, but why? It’s because we need to concentrate on the present life, and our current identity is particular to itself. This identity does not need to be tainted by the colors of other memories. After all, we carry a good amount of them with us, and these are what comprise our intelligence, or in other words, our abilities in certain areas. Indeed, what we call intelligence is completely based on all those experiences. Why are some people more capable in certain fields? It’s because they have experience in those fields. In other words, what we call intelligence is rapid visualization in a certain field. Not everybody is intelligent in every field. We know this. If a person is intelligent in a certain field, it means he or she is able to mentally process the relevant imagery and visualization in a prompt fashion, and this is based on that person’s previous learning and experience.

Thanks to the many cases we have observed, we are sure of something: The being somehow continues its existence, even without the body. The consciousness continues to exist, and it transmits its experiences from one body to the next. The purpose of this is a process we may, in a general sense, call evolution or spiritual development. The amount that can be learned within a lifetime is limited, and for a person who lived during the Middle Ages, it was not possible to learn much at all. The world is a field of experience and experiment. We experience all manner of events in abundance: we kill and be killed, we torture and get tortured, we come as a female and then a male, and in the midst of it all, we experience the various sides of many different roles. The accumulation of all this comprises a whole that we call “I” at this moment.

The question on everyone’s mind is probably “Why do things happen this way?” I don’t think this is a question we are meant to answer.

Sure, it’s possible to study reincarnation using different modalities, because there are widely different approaches for the recollection of such memories. Researchers and scholars take varying stances towards the spontaneous recollection of past life memories, as well as memories that surface during regression. But overall, these are just points of view. Personally, I think the simplest model is the existence of a being—the spirit or the consciousness, if you like—that continues even without a body. This being continues to pursue its experiences through different bodies.

Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş:
Watching many documentaries, I have heard NDEs being explained as tricks of the brain. A friend of mine watched a documentary and still says, “They put a gadget on a man’s head and stimulated part of his brain; this caused him to feel that somebody was in the room.” Getting to the point, scientists always explain such things as tricks of the brain. Okay, another example pops up into my mind, although it’s a little different. If we sexually fantasize, we stimulate the body, yet there’s no real sexual partner there. I mean, just because you’re stimulating a nerve at a certain point does not mean someone is there. After all, you only find the point where the spirit is connected to the body. I mean, scientists might have discovered a trigger point in the brain that could create such near-death experiences, but it does not mean that a near-death experience was really caused by it. You, as a researcher, only discover the mechanism in the technical sense.

You just mentioned that the body remembers. How does the body remember?

Reşat Güner:
Before this, I would like to point something out: Some NDEs are deemed to be hallucinations, but there is clear data to indicate the very opposite. In NDEs, a man leaves his body and, for example, sees a shoe on an unseen part of the rooftop. This shoe can only be seen from above, yet the man wakes up and tells his doctor, “I saw a shoe on this part of the rooftop. Could you please check if it’s there?” His doctor climbs to the rooftop and cannot see it, but then he notices it from an almost impossible angle. Many other perceptions are similar to this, and it is implausible that all of them are hallucinations. When studied carefully, many cases do not appear to be hallucinations.

What’s more, the brain is part of the process of course. After waking up, a person will tell about the things that remain stored in the brain. If a person cannot bring back a memory imprinted in the brain, what can he or she tell us? Nothing! After all, some experiences are too transcendent to be properly understood and expressed, so people say, “I cannot describe it!” If a person reaches a high level where there is no imagery, he or she can only say, “I just experienced a profound peace.” That’s all. Even during operations, under anesthesia, people can experience such things.

Hasan Sonsuz Çeliktaş
Have you ever experienced astral projection?

Tülin Etyemez Schimberg
Yes.

Reşat Güner
Of course.

Hasan Sonsuz Çeliktaş
In astral projection, you also float and soar in the air, and you feel so peaceful. When you return to the body, everything becomes heavy again.

Reşat Güner
Of course, yet we still have to represent it through the brain we have right now. We can elaborate on this later. At the moment, we need to talk about the memories that remain in the brain. The brain is actually like a receiver.

Tülin Etyemez Schimberg
Well, maybe we need to point this out first: Our being is not contained in this body. We assume the opposite. We think and talk in terms of a spirit or soul in the body, but The Divine Order and The Universe by Bedri Ruhselman, M.D. gives us a different concept of this being. Our being is like an induction, I mean, like an influence… Our essence-being has an influential mechanism over our body. When it withdraws this influence, what happens? At the moment of pulling the plug, the body returns to its atomic, material base, just like in The Matrix movie. Remember what happened when they pulled the plug?

Therefore, if everything works through an influence mechanism, it means that things are transmitted or transferred as influences. We have been using the concept of psyche, which is a concept developed by Bedri Ruhselman, M.D. while researching the concepts of Neo-Spiritualism. So, we have a physical body, as well as an emotional body and a mental body. These are the intermediate body layers: Physical, Astral, Mental, and Causal. These are the concepts of bio-energy work, and there are now many gadgets to measure them.

Whenever you experience a trauma—let’s say you break your leg—it is imprinted on your energetic body. However, the same incident also brings an emotion that you carry along, such as a feeling of helplessness. Now take the physical trauma plus your helplessness and add to them a thought that emerges during the trauma, such as thinking, “I’ll never go there again. I’ll never succeed.”

For example, imagine you have a past life as a slave. You were taken by force from your town, village and family. They bound your hands and feet and threw you onto a ship. You later died while being flogged. In such a memory, there is a physical situation of your hands and feet being bound, and your physical body transfers this to your psyche, so the body carries the state of being tied up within the body-psyche. In addition, you died without defending yourself because you were helpless, so you carry the emotion of helplessness. Moreover, let’s say that with your last breath, at the moment of death, your final thought (which is very important) is about your pregnant wife and children who you are leaving behind. What will you think in such a state? You’ll be thinking, “I’ll never see them again.” All of these things, as a complex, are carried over. Now, let’s say, you sprain your ankle in your present life and experience a physical problem in your foot. This can then trigger a feeling of helplessness. Suddenly, you begin to relive the complex you carried over and start to think, “I’ll never see them again” or have anxiety attacks.

Sometimes a client comes and says, “There is sorrow within me, but I can’t find the reason why…” or “I don’t feel like I belong here.” Others say, “I don’t belong to my family” or “I am deeply lonely.” We look at these and see how there are imprints on the physical, emotional and mental layers. Even if the original physical construct does not exist anymore, and even if the atomic construct is no more (because what we call the afterlife is also matter), this knowledge can still be carried within the subtle material construct of your psyche, which you may prefer to call the astral body.

The book The Divine Order and The Universe offered us a wonderful model. We were looking for answers to questions like “How can all of these things be transferred, and which mechanisms play a role here?” when we found the chapters about brain cell beings in this book. These brain cell beings record and register everything we experience in life through the subconscious. Then, even once you are dead, even once your physical body has reverted back to its individual atoms, these brain cell beings continue to carry your experiences as knowledge.

Reşat Güner
Yes, indeed, the book gave us a wonderful model to work with. Before it, we couldn’t find a working model to explain the survival of personality after death. This was a topic I had pondered for many years. Yes, the characteristics and qualities of a personality clearly continue beyond death, and these are transferred to another body. We see it. At least, sensitive or psychic people can when they contact a dead person and perceive all of that person’s qualities, or maybe they perceive them when a message is transmitted through that dead person.

We know this, but how? How does this happen after the body dissolves and the personality is gone? We couldn’t properly answer this question before this book was published, and it was one of the most important answers we found in the book. It meant that the being continues to keep together the brain cell beings that belonged to that lifetime. In a way, it keeps them safe within itself. Then, as we begin to connect to another body, these beings reincarnate in the new brain cells.

Tülin Etyemez Schimberg
Let’s say they are transferred as influences. For example, The Divine Order and The Universe offers a model for consciousness: It says that all people have a consciousness, and everything related to their lifetimes are recorded in the subconscious. This is like a bridge. Later, when that person dies, there is an evaluation process in the subconscious level. It’s like a sort of accounting process, a comparison of the lifetime’s experiences with previous records from all the previous incarnations. Questions like “What did I do or not do? What did I plan, and how much did I accomplish?” become distilled and refined before being added to the existing essence-knowledge in our essence-being. This is a form of evolution, or if you prefer, spiritual development.

Now, if you ask how this influence mechanism works, let me remind you of our usual daily spiritual small talk: “Mercury is in retrograde, and all my affairs are in a mess! The universe will provide…Beware! Mars is in retro now!” It’s not unlike this, as there are innumerable influences within a plane of existence, and almost everything within the spiritual system works through influential interactions, so we also have this model about influences.

In the book, it also says that a being at our current level of consciousness should have gone through 500–700 incarnations. It is not necessarily exactly 500, of course, but we find in our regression therapy work that a being leads good lifetimes as well as bad lifetimes. In some lifetimes, a person is relatively insignificant and nothing special happens, while other lives are full of action, such as ending in suicide and so on. Within all these cycles, the being is always on a vast theatrical stage, and everybody else also plays their roles perfectly. The play then ends, and all the actors go backstage and evaluate their performances: “You should do this. You should do that…” Some actors played the servants, while some played the villagers, and another played the king. Within each role, there is a life experience that the role entails. When you backstage, you evaluate it. If you find there were some missed lines that ruined your performance, you can go back on stage to play the role better. In this way, we sometimes see how we return to life many times with similar cycles or patterns in order to learn some specific things, and this continues until we really get what we want.

Yes, many times people come to see us with questions like “I want to know my purpose in life? Why am I here? What is my mission? I need to know it.” Sometimes, our current life plan is to learn patience or to unearth our inner compassion, or maybe it’s to learn about what power really is by paying the karmic debts accumulated during lifetimes where we abused power.

Again, The Divine Order and The Universe explains how we continuously go back and forth between the negative and positive poles, where the negative pole is worldly cravings and the positive pole is the conscience. This continues until we find equilibrium.

I have noticed this from the first moment a person says, “ I am happier now.” Generally, the development can be seen as a zigzag line, sometimes up and sometimes down. In other words, you are neither at the top nor at the bottom constantly. We continuously live within these up and down movements, and after a while, a certain event begins to slow the pace of these ups and downs. These movements still happen, but they become increasingly balanced as they settle around the middle point. Within this whole process, we see how a magnificent system of love works in the universe, because when a being experiences what he needs to live through and goes up, or if you like, when it returns to its essence-being, there is nothing left but the experience. Even after lifetimes where a person played the cruelest aggressor or the greatest victim, once the person is off the stage, all that matters is the experience.

There is a profoundly vast system forming and generating all of this. Imagine a system where the need of a person is never in conflict with the need of another, because everything is in equilibrium. Your need and my need correspond, so an incredible system of solidarity and assistance occurs. Within this context, you sometimes see how the one who did the cruelest acts toward you, your biggest enemy, is actually the greatest helper in your education. Unfortunately, when things are easy, we tend to slack off, and the being does not try at such times. It’s only when restraining influences arrive that we strive and struggle, and so we go through such periods by learning many things.

Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
As you say, the people who help you most in your development are the most challenging ones. These people are generally partners, parents, or bosses.

Regarding the model you just mentioned about the brain cell beings, I think it raises a few questions. Could you please elaborate on it? I would like to understand it better.

M. Reşat Güner
Of course, we’ll do as much as we can. We too are still trying to understand and digest the knowledge in the book. The model it mentions is not too complicated. You know, there is a holographic model. I think that the majority of your followers already know about it. When an image, let’s say of a tumbler, is recorded on a plate holographically, it makes a hologram. When you look at the plate, all you see is some complex patterns, but when a laser light is directed to this plate…volia! You get a three-dimensional image of the tumbler. However, here comes the most inspirational quality of a hologram: If you break this plate into two, you’ll still get the whole image from one piece. Sure, it gets fuzzier as the pieces get smaller. The thing is, no matter how many pieces you break the plate into, you still get the whole image from one piece. So, from this model, two scientists arrived at interesting conclusions. One was Karl Pribram, a neuroscientist who used this holographic model while studying the working principles of the brain [1]. The other was David Bohm, a well-known physicist who was deeply inspired by the holographic model when explaining the functions of the universe.

Now, when looking from this point of view, we see how most things in our reality work through this model. That is, within each part or piece, there is knowledge of the whole. Like how the DNA of any cell in our bodies carries knowledge about the whole of the body. In the universe, everything works within such a system.

We can also study it from another angle. For example, this tumbler is a part, and a human being is another part. Sure, a human being has a wholeness itself, but that wholeness comprises smaller parts, and it is also a part of a greater whole. In short, everything we can see and perceive, from atoms to the galaxies, is all both made up of smaller parts and a part of a greater whole. The best example is the human body: Atoms form molecules, molecules form cells, cells form tissues, tissues form organs, organs form systems, and systems form the organism. When we look at one layer, we see a molecule is a whole within itself, but it becomes more meaningful when it becomes a part of a cell. Again, the cell is a whole in itself, but it is able to function better as part of a tissue. We can continue this process indefinitely. Arthur Koestler named this holon, which isderived from the Greek word holos, meaning “whole.” It describes something that is simultaneously both a whole and a part, so a cell is a holon, because it is both a whole and part of a greater whole. Likewise, each cell in our bodies has a correspondence in the being-ness: Each cell has a soul! Let’s call it this for the time being. By this, I mean it has an energetic correspondence. After all, following the discoveries related to quantum mechanics and the concept of anti-matter in recent years, I think physics researchers have encountered similar findings.

So, coming to the brain cells, these are the most developed cells in the body, the most conscious cells, if you like, because they are the conveyors of consciousness. We call them neurons. They exist not just in our brains but also in the nerves throughout our bodies, as well as in the heart and intestines. Each neuron in the brain has a being, and the sum total of these forms the current consciousness, personality, and identity of a person. Experiences at the physical level—actually all of our experiences—create a motion in the neurons and this, in turn, causes conscious perception in our brains. In this way, a “firing” occurs in the brain through the sensory organs.

Therefore, the experiences our neurons gain are also transferred to each of their beings, where they store this knowledge. Imagine the sum of all beings belonging to the neurons as the memory of all your experiences. The brain inevitably dies, but the brain cell beings live on. In fact, brain cells begin to die on their own after a certain age, and I believe the knowledge in these is also transferred to other cells through the brain cell beings.

Once physical death occurs, these beings leave their bodies (i.e., the neurons). In a general sense, the brain cell beings are a subsystem of the being that constitutes our whole identity, and they continue their existence. When a being decides to incarnate again (i.e., it draws a life plan, chooses its parents, etc.), and as the brain and the nervous system of this new body begin to form in its mother’s womb, the beings from the previous brain cells slowly begin to incarnate in their new “bodies” (i.e., the newly formed neurons).

Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
And because they remain as energy, they connect to it as energy.

M. Reşat Güner
Exactly.

Tülin Etyemez Schimberg
After all, everything is energy. Isn’t it?

M. Reşat Güner
The transfer of knowledge, or information if you prefer, from one lifetime to another occurs this way. However, there is an interesting point here, and this almost always raises the same question: “So many people live so many lifetimes, but the population is always on the rise. Does this mean the number of spirits is growing as well?”

In a way, The Divine Order and The Universe explains this point elegantly. The brain cell beings do not forever remain connected to a being. After a certain stage of development, they leave one being and separate. Each of them then begins to incarnate in various different systems (i.e., the bodies of other organisms) in order to become new beings each capable of managing a body by itself. As they develop stage by stage, each brain cell being becomes a being capable of managing a human body by itself. This is related to its accumulation of experience and knowledge. In this way, the creation sustains itself by branching out. Of course, I’m sure that in both the near and distant future, more models will be devised. For now, however, when we look from the viewpoint of the holographic model, each part has information about the whole, and the universe sustains and grows itself in this manner. In turn, the beings within the universe diversify and multiply in the same way. The knowledge or information is never lost, because there is a sort of order within the universe. There is no absolute entropy (the thermodynamics principle indicating a gradual decline into disorder). If there were, the universe as it is couldn’t exist. Yes, matter has inclination to a certain degree of entropy. It has a tendency to dissolve and disperse, but only to a certain point. Beyond this point, a force holds everything together and organizes it, a force that generates negative entropy. You know, entropy means a gradual decline. You pour hot tea, and after a while, it gets cold in the cup. All matter decomposes until the system finds its own equilibrium.

Tülin Etyemez Schimberg
What happens when we die? Entropy occurs. Matter separates into its base atoms; it decomposes and turns back to its original state, because there are no more incoming influences. There is no more power supply, so the light goes dim and turns off. What makes the bulb shine anyway? It’s the influx of influence and energy coming toward it. What happens when you stop the influx? It reverts to its original material form.

M. Reşat Güner
Is what we call inanimate matter really inanimate? No, it never is, because it is comprised of elements. We therefore cannot say that matter is without consciousness, or unconscious if you like. Why are there over a hundred elements, all of which remain in the same pattern? This is also a form of consciousness but on its own level.

What we understand by consciousness is a being that interacts and communicates sensibly. This is the definition of consciousness for us. Yes, of course, consciousness at the human level is the highest and most developed level that we know of. However, it is not all that there is. Matter has its own kind of consciousness, and matter is not limited to what we can see. We can only see a very limited portion of matter. There is matter we cannot see, and even our being is actually made of matter. Yes, what we call the spirit is also matter, but it’s extraordinarily subtle (an energy flux causing physical and spiritual influences at the micro level) and its vibration is extraordinarily high. Regardless, it is still matter.

So, let’s hope we will find more useful and elegant models in future, so much better explanations can be made. After all, reality has its own particular construct, and we can only develop various models to understand it. Science is just this. Science is developing models in order to understand reality, and the level science has reached now is the same level the human consciousness has reached. When we look into it, nothing is limited by our minds or intelligence. After all, the universe existed long before we did, before the Earth was even formed. Everything else was already there.

Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
When you said “model,” I thought maybe some of our readers might think, “Why do they look for models?” Well, I was a communications major, and in my college, the professors always sought and studied models for communication between people. Right now, here we are with friends on the academic side of the spiritual, and they look at things just like academics do. This is why they talk about models.

While in college, we doubted the benefit of the theories at first, thinking that these teachers would be better off talking about more practical matters. The thing is, though, if you cannot use a theory as a basis, you cannot see its practical side. I only understood this after graduation. Practice without theory is like walking with one leg. To use both your feet, you need theory as well as practice.

M. Reşat Güner
Certainly. In the previous part of the interview, we talked about regression. If we study the human consciousness and work on transforming it, we need a strong model in our hands. The more detailed the map in our hands is, the stronger the interventions we can make and the greater the transformations we can bring about. If our model is small and simple, we can only move around on a small field. However, if our model is vast and detailed, then this means the field we can explore is many times as vast…

Of course, as developed as the human consciousness is, there are more elegant possibilities now. With God’s help, the generations after us will take it further. We will then understand what kind of reality we human beings live in, and right now, that is much more important than anything else, because at the background of all the problems we moan about is the inability to pin down the meaning of our own existence. Currently, most people are in this kind of crisis, namely an existential crisis.

Tülin Etyemez Schimberg
All those increasing numbers of depression cases… Tell me, what have we been asking for? We struggled to buy a car and then a house. Once we had them, we bought better and newer ones! And now we see that none of it satisfied us. However, we assumed that all of these things would add something to our being and make us happy. They may have in a way, but the true need of our beings is entirely different.

So, what do we do when we identify with matter? When we cannot have it or buy it, we ask, “Then what am I?” I think regression therapy gives the answer to people.

If I can put it in a simpler way, by setting aside all the models and theories, let’s imagine that there is no concept of reincarnation…

All of the things ever experienced or lived on this world influence everybody currently alive. In other words, the incidents or conditions that my ancestors experienced in the past are now affecting me. As genetics indicates, you carry the DNA of your last seven generations of ancestors. What does this mean? It means you also carry the unfinished business of your ancestors. You count your mother and father, their mothers and fathers, and so on. For example, for seven generations, 2 is raised to the power 7. Imagine the branching as the number grows exponentially.

So, why do we do regression work now? We do it in order to live better lifetimes and vitalize our current lives. It’s not for this or that past life but rather for this one. Which life is the most real, the most important? This life! So, as we lighten or release our burdens in this lifetime—whether their roots are in past lives or childhood or ancestral periods—we clean, integrate and transform them. Remember, you are the ancestor of the next 27 people, the next seven generations…

You know, frequently asked questions include “How can this world be changed?” “What should we do?” and “What can I do by myself?” We turn on the TV, and when we see scenes of conflict and war in vicious cycles, we lose hope. However, whatever we see on screen is the battle of our parts within. The micro is reflected on the macro. If this is the case, what should we do? We should start to work with ourselves. When we facilitate the change within ourselves, it will be holographically reflected on the world at the same time. When we are integrated and become whole, we increase the chance of others integrating as well. In this sense, the knowledge and information that we pass from generation to generation varies and changes, and we, as individuals, can do many things in this sense. How? Can you change your partner, your kids, and your siblings? No way! Even changing ourselves entails a great deal of effort. We resist it, and if we take one step forward, we usually take two steps back. First of all, we must begin with ourselves. Once we can build it within and achieve it through deep transformation, it will be reflected on the whole anyway.

Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
You put it across so well that I cannot think of anything to add…

M. Reşat Güner
Please let me quickly add something. Tülin’s words evoked a line of thought in me. Now, one of the most important keys of spiritual development is, as many diverse spiritual teachings and traditions also state, how a person should experience the here and now as much as possible. Living the now throughout our being is possible only by cleaning the parts that still cling to the past. If we don’t clean these, living the now remains just a fanciful concept in our minds. However, when the parts that need to be dealt with are clean, and the necessary integration is achieved, we become able to live the now properly. Only then can we be in the now and digest it accordingly, because otherwise, those unprocessed parts will pull us in other directions. Yes, there are many identities and personalities within us, and as these pull and distract us in many different directions, we cannot live in the now. We cannot be occupied with the now, nor can we be in it. However, when this integration occurs, it is possible for a person to experience the now and feel the peace that really exists in a person in a profound way. This is why the work on the self is so important. The task for people is to work on themselves using various methods, so they can understand and come to know their own beings.

Hasan “Sonsuz” Çeliktaş
Thanks so much for this wonderful interview. I hope we can come together again to discuss other topics.

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